Fred Bowen's last official c65 Kernel ROM was 911204

adtbm · Mar 24th 2019

Hi,

i just found this article from the 90's:

https://4af176dd-a-62cb3a1a-s-…Jz0xX8uI8c&attredirects=0

where Fred Bowen states in an interview, that he had the latest c65 Kernel Version 911204
installed on his own c65.
(Read under "Welche ROM-Version ist die "aktuellste"?)

Does this Version exist somewhere ?
Have you been in contact with Fred Bowen ?
Does anybody even knows about this version ?
(me personally, thought, i had all available ROM versions, but from the look of it, i don't)

Sorry, but i was just wondering and curious, what changes there might have been to 911001
(the highest version i have)

With best regards,

Anton

mega65 · Mar 25th 2019

The latest comments in the source that I am aware of is 911119.

Paul.

deft · Jun 7th 2019

Thanks for the heads up, I just sent Fred a message asking what he has and what he is willing to share with us

cheers
deft

MIRKOSOFT · Jun 8th 2019

It will be pretty if he want to share, but also with us, of course I understand his and also your decision.
Miro

manne_sahne · Jan 16th 2020

If Fred Bowen isn't answering on your request, it's maybe better to forward that to Bil Herd, who has propably a better connection to him.

manne_sahne · Jan 19th 2020

I've asked Bil Herd to ask Fred Bowen if he has access to the ROM Version 911204.

Bil answered that he is asking him. If I don't hear anything from him, then he didn't hear anything.

androSID · Jan 19th 2020

So formuliere ich das auch immer wenn ich nicht vorhabe tatsächlich zu fragen oder es wahrscheinlich ist, dass ich es vergesse zu tun.

Yan_B · Jan 19th 2020

So interessiert, wie Bil Herd sich in den letzten Jahren für interessante Projekte zeigt, kann ich mir schon vorstellen, dass er bei Bowen nachfragt.

androSID · Jan 19th 2020

Kann schon sein und ich will Ihm auch nix unterstellen. Aber der Aufwand eine Antwort zu schreiben ('Sorry... ') oder weiter zu leiten ist gering....

manne_sahne · Jan 20th 2020

Bil Herd hat aber im Gegensatz zu Fred Bowen wenigstens seine Tastatur bemüht, um eine Antwort zu schreiben.

Snoopy · Jan 20th 2020

Fred Bowen hat offensichtlich einen Account bei Facebook ("Fred bowen commodore" bei Google eingeben).

Falls da jemand mit dabei ist, sollte eine Anfrage kein großes Problem sein.

manne_sahne · Jan 20th 2020

Da hab ich ihm ja geschrieben, wie gesagt, er hat bisher nicht geantwortet.

Snoopy · Jan 20th 2020

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Da hab ich ihm ja geschrieben, wie gesagt, er hat bisher nicht geantwortet.

Ah, okay, das war mir nicht bewusst.

Dann hat Fred Bowen wohl kein Interesse daran oder das ROM auch gar nicht mehr.

Vielleicht würde eine "offizielle" Anfrage vom Mega65-Team was bewegen? Die Aussicht, dass mit dem Mega65 sein ROM doch nochmal fürs Publikum rauskommt, könnte eventuell förderlich sein?

adtbm · Jan 20th 2020

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Vielleicht würde eine "offizielle" Anfrage vom Mega65-Team was bewegen? Die Aussicht, dass mit dem Mega65 sein ROM doch nochmal fürs Publikum rauskommt, könnte eventuell förderlich sein?

Hi Snoopy, das haben wir auch schon, leider ohne Erfolg versucht...

Ich vermute, dass er das Projekt verfolgt und evtl. irgendwann sein ROM freigibt. (Oder zumindestens ist das meine Hoffnung.... ....wie war das ? Die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt ? )

Snoopy · Jan 20th 2020

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Vielleicht würde eine "offizielle" Anfrage vom Mega65-Team was bewegen? Die Aussicht, dass mit dem Mega65 sein ROM doch nochmal fürs Publikum rauskommt, könnte eventuell förderlich sein?

Hi Snoopy, das haben wir auch schon, leider ohne Erfolg versucht...

Ich vermute, dass er das Projekt verfolgt und evtl. irgendwann sein ROM freigibt. (Oder zumindestens ist das meine Hoffnung.... ....wie war das ? Die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt ? )

Hoffen darf man. Auch wenn das Ganze nicht mehr so positiv klingt. Mal abwarten ...

Snoopy · Dec 17th 2020

Quote from adtbm

Hi,
i just found this article from the 90's:
https://4af176dd-a-62cb3a1a-s-…Jz0xX8uI8c&attredirects=0
where Fred Bowen states in an interview, that he had the latest c65 Kernel Version 911204
installed on his own c65.

Here is the complete transcription of this conference:

Transcript of the Fred Bowen Conference

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Transcript of the Fred Bowen Conference

- With your Host GEOS-TIM

- Conference Capture and Editing by THE.OUTLAW

- User instructions given by C128-QT.PIE

Tuesday 2-22-94

Fred Bowen - Commodore Business Machines Engineer

This is one in a series of conferences with people who have or have had an

impact on the 64/128 Commodore world. Fred Bowen is an engineer that helped

bring us the Commodore products that we have come to know. The transcripts havebeen edited by Cam Stewart, with finish editing by Tim Hewelt.

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Here's the section Fred talks about the latest C65 ROM:

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<FREDBOWEN> When the C65 was canned, I spent another month wrapping things up, just in case. The last version is sitting in my machine only- something like 911204 or so.

<[mats] M.MATTING> Hey, we recently got your (self-written, I think) demo
programs and documentation. Will it be (legally) possible to send to others?

<FREDBOWEN> But that version required the latest hardware, of course. I've been trying to get permission to "release" some stuff, but as yet have not gotten it. The problem is it was never reviewed or approved for release by the legal people, so... it's doubtful.

<[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> A lot of GEnie users will be unhappy to hear that.

<[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We have quite a C65 following

<C128.JBEE> I suppose the legal department does not look at denying the
approval as trying to shut the barn door after the horse escaped

<FREDBOWEN> Still gonna work on it, but the higher-ups and legal folks

<[mats] M.MATTING> But it works fine on o u r latest ROM version (not the
US-one, looks like specifically done for CBM-Germany(?)

<FREDBOWEN> have bigger things on their minds, for some reason Uh, sorry- that last line was barely readable here- repeat it? I probably belched too hard.

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adtbm · Dec 18th 2020

Very interesting, at least Fred Bowen confirms, that they were no NTSC VIC-IIIs.

I think, i'll go ahead and summarize the interview again. quite interesting especially since they mention the cmoodore LCD as well.

Thanks Snoopy

Snoopy · Dec 18th 2020

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Very interesting, at least Fred Bowen confirms, that they were no NTSC VIC-IIIs.
I think, i'll go ahead and summarize the interview again. quite interesting especially since they mention the cmoodore LCD as well.

Also take a look at this post.

manne_sahne · Dec 18th 2020

It's a little weak that he didn't even answered the request.

Snoopy · Dec 18th 2020

Maybe it's also a legal issue? Fred owns the latest known ROM 911204 in his C65, but that doesn't mean that he also have the right to give it free? Cloanto own the rights of the 911001 version of the C65 (so they say), but what is with the newer 911204 one? Also a legal property of Cloanto even they doen't have it?